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I'll give Gibson props for taking a stand which helped all of us in the end (which I am sure was not their concern) but that is kind of a classless jab at the govt. I am sure they will sell loads of them to the anti gov crowd.

uvh Sam,
I respect your opinion because humor like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To my eye their response was a light hearted jab at a government that persecuted them at a great cost of time and money.
I would imagine that good people view this with a wide spectrum of views,
Mike

I'm just saying that Gibson was/is not fighting for the "little guy". They are a multimillion dollar corporation that are out for profits, not liberty and justice.
In this one case, their ends aligned with other makers large and small.

I actually almost bought one but it ultimately was too ugly and crappily built.

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One great way they maximize that profit is by screwing the little guy and not paying their bills. But that's a different story I probably shouldn't go into.

this is the wood from the 2nd raid and that was legal. The first raid , the wood wasn't .

You do have to like the lemonade analogy

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

That's true too Filippo. I've just done business with Gibson and it left a bad taste in my mouth. When I first heard about the raids I wasn't surprised at all. They probably just made the wrong person mad.

Sorry about your plumbing issues though. That is the reason why I try to do everything myself. You really can't trust many people these days.

Yeah, I thought it might make a good investment, but for $1100 it's probably more of a novelty item than a great guitar. Thanks for saving me the gas money to go to Guitar Center!

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hey they painted it! it cant be made from top quality wood if they are painting over it

Wonder which guitar will contain the wood from the last Madagascar Tree in the world big enough for a guitar. Most traditional tonewoods are in trouble. Like it or not, Gibson used American grown Rosewood for their fingerboards while their Rosewood was being impounded. Maybe they should consider using it all the time.

In 1956, my dad quit smoking. Lucky Strikes of all things. He said they were "Cancer sticks" or "coffin nails". Everyone know that cigarettes were harmful to your health before anyone ever put a warning on the label. It's kind of that way with wood. Everyone knows that a lot of our favorite tonewoods are disappearing, Maybe it's time we started making some changes before CITIES makes it official.

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. - "K" Men In Black

Gee, Ken..... Downer Much?

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where do they grow American rosewood ?

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

Central America.

Are there any impact studies on how much wood the guitar industry uses? It seems to me that even on a scale of a Gibson/Martin/Taylor factory it has minimal impact on the forests.

Actually The Madagascar Rosewood that was involved in the Gibson raid was not returned. At the ASIA symposium this topic was discussed by the US consultant that was involved. There was a Government task force sent to Madagascar to help them set up the lumber industry. There were a group of people that were invited to go and help and they were told specifically that no wood was to be purchased.
There were reps from CF Martin Taylor Gibson and other industries . Gibson went and purchased the wood and this is how they got into trouble.

As for American Rosewood this is just term like. Brazilian Cherry it doesn't exist but it a name given to a genius that was grown in central American.

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John Hall
blues creek guitars
Authorized CF Martin Repair
Co President of ASIA
You Don't know what you don't know until you know it

Who here builds or repairs guitars for free for the little people? We all love what we do but we also need to eat. Gibson put food on the table for many more people then most of us do by providing jobs. Mike .

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And your mailing address, Todd?

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Here is what I found on a message board, supposedly copied from the Gibson website.

I know of no D. nigra here, but there certainly is some D. sissoo, AKA the 'other' Indian RW. It is considered an invasive species in South Florida. Apparently, it is much eaiser to cultivate than D. nigra.
This is some I bought that was salvaged from hurricane damage in South Florida:

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